NBA sides eager to get deal in next few days

By BRIAN MAHONEY
Associated Press

NEW YORK — NBA owners and players called it an early night Thursday, with both pointing toward Friday as a decisive day for big moves to end the 119-day lockout.

Or not.

After two days of talks about the salary cap system, they will turn their attention back to the division of revenues, which derailed the talks last week.

This time, Commissioner David Stern said the talks had produced enough familiarity and trust “that will enable us to look forward to tomorrow, where we anticipate there will be some important and additional progress — or not.”

“But I think (union executive director Billy Hunter) and I share that view, and we’re looking forward to seeing whether something good can be made to happen.”

The sides again said there was some minor progress on the system issues after about 7½ hours of talks. They decided to wrap it up and get some rest following a marathon 15-hour session Wednesday, and with union economist Kevin Murphy unavailable Thursday to discuss finances.

Hunter said he thought the sides were “within striking distance of a getting a deal” on the system, but there’s still no indication either side is ready to make the big move necessary to settling the BRI split.

Owners have insisted they’re not going beyond 50-50, which means the sides are still about $100 million apart annually, based on last season’s revenues. Players have proposed reducing their guarantee from 57 percent down to 52.5, but they’re unlikely to go much further without some concessions on the system issues.

Asked when the significant move would happen, Hunter noticed Stern sitting in the back of his press conference and said to ask the commissioner.

“Tomorrow!” Stern yelled out.

“There are no guarantees that we’ll get it done, but we’re going to give it one heck of a shot tomorrow,” Stern said a few minutes later in his press conference. “I think that Billy and the union’s negotiators feel the same way. I know that ours do.”

If they don’t, Stern will have to decide whether to add more cancellations to the two weeks that have already been lost.

A full season might be difficult even with a deal this week. It takes roughly 30 days from agreement to games being played, so it’s uncertain if there’s still time for any basketball in November even before examining arena availability. But 82 games would be a boost for the players, meaning they wouldn’t miss the paycheck that seemed lost when the first two weeks were scrapped.

It was widely expected Stern would announce further cancellations this week after talks broke down a week ago. Instead, the sides were in communication the next day, staffs met Monday, and they were back at the bargaining table Wednesday, acting on Hunter’s recommendation to “park” the revenue split and focus first on the system issues.

Players want a system that looks a lot like the old one, where teams have the ability to exceed the salary cap and where contracts and their raises are guaranteed. Owners are seeking changes that they believe would create more competitive balance by removing the big market teams’ ability to spend freely beyond the cap.

They have attempted to do that by increasing the taxes teams would have to pay for exceeding the tax level. Players argue the taxes are too punitive and would scare teams from spending, thereby creating a hard cap.

“Our position hasn’t changed much,” union president Derek Fisher of the Lakers said. “We’re just trying to make sure that players have an opportunity to have a market for themselves and for their services, the same way we’re trying to meet the league and our teams on all 30 teams being competitive.”

Players have said the issues of the system and split are largely tied together, though Stern and Deputy Commissioner Adam Silver have said they believe they are separate.

The big question is whether owners will insist on having both.

“I think we’re within reach and within striking distance of getting a deal,” Hunter said. “It’s just a question of how receptive the NBA is and whether or not they want to do a deal.”

The sides have seemed close before, only for the talks to break down. It was the system issues earlier this month, followed by the split last week after three days of mediation.

They are hoping a deal can be completed by early next week, with the union believing if so there would still be enough time to reschedule the canceled games. But they’ve now arrived at what might be the toughest part, because it always seemed these talks would come back to money.

“We’re working at it,” Fisher said. “It’s a tough process and as we move through and try to close the gap in as many places as we can, it gets tougher towards the end.”

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No tangible progress at NBA meetings

By Mike Monroe
mikemonroe@express-news.net

NEW YORK — A weekend of negotiations that NBA commissioner David Stern said contained “enormous consequences” for the 2011-12 season ended Saturday with nothing of real consequence having been accomplished.

The lockout imposed on July 1 by the NBA’s owners remains in place, and union executive director Billy Hunter said the two sides remain “miles apart” in their quest for a new collective bargaining agreement that will get the league up and running again.

Saturday’s seven-hour session was the longest since the start of the lockout. According to Spurs forward Matt Bonner, a member of the union’s negotiating team, both sides were “burned out” by the process and in need of a break, and they will get one today. Talks will resume with a smaller meeting Monday, followed be a larger one Tuesday, with many owners and players again expected to participate.

Despite the lack of progress, no additional cancellations of preseason games have been announced, and Stern promised there would not be another cancellation announcement before Monday’s meeting.

With no tangible progress to report from the long sessions, Stern walked back from his prior pronouncement that the weekend carried big implications.

“I don’t take myself as seriously as you do,” he said. “It’s good we had the players and owners here, and we could vent a lot of things, and it’s good we’re coming back, in part, on Monday, and in full on Tuesday. And it’s good there were lots of players there giving their support to (union president) Derek (Fisher) and seeing how this difficult process works.

“If we didn’t think there was any hope, we wouldn’t be scheduling the meetings, but that is the best I would say right now.”

At the suggestion of Hunter, nearly all the discussions over two days focused on the salary-cap system. The owners have insisted on a hard cap; the players have been just as adamant on retaining the exceptions that make the cap “soft.”

Determining the split of basketball-related income — the players received 57 percent under the previous collective bargaining agreement, while the owners have proposed a system that would hover around 46 percent over the course of their proposed 10-year deal — was tabled in hopes the sides could get closer on the important cap dispute.

They did not.

“I can’t necessarily characterize things as we made progress and that somehow I’m more optimistic than I was yesterday,” said Fisher, a Lakers guard. “The reality is we still have an extremely long way to go with the exchanges that were made today. There are still huge gaps between what we proposed compared to what they proposed, and obviously we still have the economics that are just kind of sitting out there waiting for us to tackle.

“So there’s a lot of work left to be done, and we’ll keep at this.”

By the time the two sides return to the table on Monday, every team will already have lost two days of training camp, and both sides know a point of no return is fast approaching when some regular-season games may need to be canceled.

Stern gave no hint of when that may be — “stay tuned,” he said — but again stressed that things will get more difficult when, and if, such cancellations occur.

“Billy and I … agree on this: Positions harden when regular-season games begin to be lost on top of the exhibition season,” Stern said. “So we’ve been focusing on seeing whether we couldn’t do something.

“They harden because the losses are there. Each side is taking them, and each side thinks they should make up the losses based on the deal that they make, and that makes it quite consequential, in terms of those losses.”

NBA talks turn tense, to be continued

By Mike Monroe
mikemonroe@express-news.net

NEW YORK — It’s crunch time in the talks aimed at ending the NBA lockout, and some of basketball’s most prominent closers showed up to take their shots at bringing the two sides closer to a deal.

On Friday, Kevin Durant, LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, Chris Paul, Elton Brand, Ben Gordon, Andre Iguodala and Baron Davis, along with union president Derek Fisher and the players’ association executive board conferred with all but two members of the NBA’s labor relations committee, which is headed by Spurs owner Peter Holt.

After five hours of talks that included moments of tension and rancor, the superstars had made no tangible difference in a labor dispute that has entered its third month.

They had, however, shown the owners they would stand up for themselves and their union leadership.

According to a sourced report by NBA.com’s David Aldridge, Wade stood up to NBA commissioner David Stern during a side meeting that did not involve all members of both groups. Angered that Stern had been pointing at him, Wade ordered Stern to stop, saying, “I’m not your child.”

Stern and union executive director Billy Hunter conferred, and after an apology was issued to Wade, the talks resumed.

Fisher clearly appreciated such support.

“Some of our guys standing here right now have been questioned in terms of their commitment to this process, to the players’ association and to the game,” he said, the stars and executive board members standing behind him at a news conference. “Their presence here today .?.?. says a lot. These guys have always been here with us in spirit. They’ve always been here with us in terms of the cause. They’ve been with us in concerns and recommendations.”

Ultimately, when Friday’s meeting ended, the two sides were no closer to a deal than when the day began. But after the day’s tension, an agreement to continue the process today, with hints the talks could continue all weekend, was deemed a good sign.

“At least we’re meeting tomorrow,” said Spurs forward Matt Bonner, a union vice president and member of the negotiating committee. “That’s a silver lining. Just as Derek said, we want to get a deal done and we’re going to keep working at it and try to get there. No progress, per se, was made today, but nobody stormed out and refused to talk.”

Nevertheless, against a backdrop that this weekend’s meetings carried what Stern called “enormous consequences,” Friday’s session seemed anti-climactic.

Fisher, the Lakers point guard, said the talks had been “engaging” and called the participation of the prominent players very meaningful, but admitted no progress had been made toward an agreement that might end the lockout imposed by the owners the moment the old collective bargaining agreement expired on July 1.

“We discussed a lot of different ideas — concepts, system issues, economics, a little bit of everything,” he said. “We did not come out of here with a deal today. We will be back tomorrow at 10 a.m. to continue to discuss.

“Overall, we felt like this … was not a waste of time.”

Deputy commissioner Adam Silver acknowledged there was little likelihood a deal could be reached by the end of the weekend — “I think just the number of hours in the day, I’m not sure if we can complete a deal this weekend,” he said — but Stern insisted failure to do so this weekend would not mean the entire 2011-12 season might be canceled.

“Whatever the eventuality is, the idea that we would at an early stage cancel the season is … ludicrous,” he said.