More games likely to be lost

By BRIAN MAHONEY
Associated Press

NEW YORK — Three days and 30 hours’ worth of talks ended on a nasty note Thursday in NBA labor negotiations. And only one thing seemed fairly certain: more games were likely to be cut. Possibly even the season.

Players insist that’s the outcome owners wanted all along — “preordained,” as union executive director Billy Hunter said.

“We’ve always felt there was still a place where they would just not go and they would lock us out as long as it would take in order to get us beyond that place. There was never really a willingness to negotiate beyond certain points,” union president Derek Fisher of the Lakers said. “There was just a line drawn, and regardless of what’s going on, how many times we meet, ‘we’re not going past that.’”

After 30 hours of negotiations before a federal mediator, the sides remained divided over two main issues — the division of revenues and the structure of the salary cap system.

“We understand the ramifications of where we are,” Deputy Commissioner Adam Silver said. “We’re saddened on behalf of the game.”

Without a deal, NBA Commissioner David Stern, who missed Thursday’s session with the flu, almost certainly will decide more games must be dropped.

The season was supposed to begin Nov. 1, but all games through Nov. 14 — 100 in total — already have been scrapped, costing players about $170 million in salaries.

Stern said previously that games through Christmas were in jeopardy without a deal this week. Silver said the labor committee would speak with Stern on Friday about the future schedule, though no further cancellations are expected yet.

Silver said he was a little more optimistic than usual going into the talks, but the union later accused him of lying, with Hunter saying: “They knew when they presented what they were presenting to us that it wasn’t going to fly.”

The union said owners essentially gave it an ultimatum to accept a 50-50 split of revenues. Attorney Jeffrey Kessler said the meeting was “hijacked.”

“We were shocked,” he said. “We went in there trying to negotiate and they came in and they said you either accept 50-50 or we’re done and we won’t discuss anything else.”

Both sides praised federal mediator George Cohen and said they felt there was some progress on minor issues at the start of the talks. But it was clear by the time talks broke down that there were bad feelings.

“We’ve spent the last few days making our best effort to try and find a resolution here. Not one that was necessarily a win-win. It wouldn’t be a win for us. It wouldn’t be a win for them. But one that we felt like would get our game back … and get our guys back on the court, get our vendors back to work, get the arenas open, get these communities revitalized,” Fisher said.

“And in our opinion, that’s not what the NBA and the league is interested in at this point. They’re interested in telling you one side of the stories that are not true and this is very serious to us. This is not in any way about ego. There are a lot of people’s livelihoods at stake separate from us.”

Hunter said the union made “concession after concession after concession … and it’s just not enough.”

“We’re not prepared to let them impose a system on us that eliminates guarantees, reduces contract lengths, diminishes all our increases,” he said. “We’re saying no way. We fought too long and made too many sacrifices to get where we are.”

Previously each side had proposed receiving 53 percent of basketball-related income after players were guaranteed 57 percent under the previous collective bargaining agreement.

Silver said the league formally proposed a 50-50 revenue split Wednesday. The union said its proposal would have been a band that would have allowed it to collect as much as 53 percent but no less than 50, based on the league’s revenues.

“Hopefully, we can get back to the table, but certainly a tough day, a very tough day,” said Peter Holt, the labor relations committee chair and owner of the San Antonio Spurs.

Asked whether the players would drop to 50 percent, Holt said he didn’t think it was that big of a jump but that the union did.

He said the league would not go above 50 percent “as of today. But never say never on anything.”

Hunter said Cleveland owner Dan Gilbert told players to trust that if they took the 50-50 split, the salary cap issues could be worked out.

Hunter’s response?

“I can’t trust your gut. I got to trust my own gut,” he said. “There’s no way in the world I’m going to trust your gut on whether or not you’re going to be open and amenable to making the changes in the system that we think are necessary and appropriate.”

Owners and players met with Cohen for 16 hours Tuesday, ending around 2 a.m. Wednesday, then returned just eight hours later and spent another 8½ hours in discussions. The sides then met for about five hours Thursday, before calling it quits.

“Am I worried about the season, per se? Yeah. But I’m more so worried about us standing up for what we believe in,” New Orleans Hornets guard Jarrett Jack said. “I think that’s the bigger issue at hand.”

Cohen didn’t recommend that the two sides continue the mediation process as they weren’t able to resolve the “strongly held, competing positions that separated them on core issues.”

Though the sides have said they believe bargaining is the only route to a deal, the process could end up in the courts. Each brought an unfair labor practice charge against the other with the National Labor Relations Board, and the league also filed a federal lawsuit against the union attempting to block it from decertifying.

Union officials, so far, have been opposed to decertification, a route the NFL players initially chose during their lockout.

However, Hunter said Thursday that “all of our options are on the table. Everything.”

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Could 82-game NBA season be salvaged?

Reports from the marathon NBA bargaining session that stretched well into Thursday morning sound as substantive as we’ve heard during the nearly four months of negotiating between the two sides.

The best news that came from both the players and owners after the 15-hour session ended was that an 82-game season still could  be salvagable if a settlement could  be reached by Sunday or Monday.

“We initially wanted to miss none,” NBA commissioner David Stern“It’s sad that we’ve missed two weeks. We’re trying to apply a tourniquet and go forward. That’s always been our goal.”

Both Stern and Billy Hunter sounded upbeat when they emerged to give their spin to the media.

Maybe it’s the late hour. But how come this seems to be a completely different attitude emerging than after cataclysmic gloom and doom that marked the end of last week’s abrupt conclusion? 

Despite the happy spin both sides have, huge work needs to be made when they meet again beginnning at 2 p.m. Thursday.

One source told CBS Sports.com that “small moves” have been made. But the same gap exists with the split of the basketball-related income remains and appears to still be the same impediment to a deal as before.

It will be up to Hunter and Stern to bridge that gap.

They’ve been here before and haven’t been able to settle the deal.

Will they be any more successful on Thursday?

Basketball fans can only hope.

Mike Monroe: Debt to Duncan colors NBA impasse

On opening night of the 2007-08 Spurs season, the club formally acknowledged what already had been reported: Two-time Most Valuable Player Tim Duncan had agreed to extend his contract for two more seasons.

Part of the deal: Duncan agreed to take a $3.5 million pay cut in the first season of the extension, presumably so the Spurs could be players in the rich free agent summer of 2010.

Back then, club owner Peter Holt gushed about Duncan’s selfless dedication to the franchise.

“This is Tim and the way he does things and the way he always has been,” Holt said. “He told me a long time ago, after David (Robinson) retired, that he wanted to go out the same way: Go out a winner and stay in San Antonio. Tim Duncan is very much in the same mold as David.”

But he is no one’s carbon copy.

Today, on a day that was to have concluded at the ATT Center with the first game of the Spurs’ 2011-12 season, Robinson finds himself alongside Holt in a Spurs ownership group aligned with the other NBA owners. As a group, the owners are intent on ensuring profitability by threatening the players with cancellation of more games as a lockout imposed on July 1 continues into its fifth month.

Duncan remains a loyal member of the National Basketball Players Association, which has dwindling options as its solidarity frays and its leadership fractures.

We can only wonder what the great power forward must be thinking this morning about that $3.5 million pay cut he took that ultimately enabled the Spurs to acquire Richard Jefferson and his bloated contract.

Isn’t that deal one of the exhibits the players should present to the world when they assert that the owners are asking the union to protect them from their own folly?

And wasn’t it Duncan’s greatness — his 21-point, 20-rebound, 10-assist, eight-block title-clinching Game 6 in 2003 that ranks as one of the greatest in Finals history — that sent Robinson off to retirement with a second championship ring and a lasting memory before he bought a piece of the Spurs?

Holt seems to understand the debt he and Robinson and other Spurs owners owe to Duncan. Chairman of the owners’ labor relations committee, he said as much to reporters after negotiations blew apart on Oct. 20.

In refuting the notion the Spurs proved it possible for a team to thrive financially and win championships in a relatively small market, Holt said the Spurs had lost money in 2009-10 and 2010-11 and would have run in red ink sooner if not for good fortune in the draft.

“Fortunately, a fellow named Tim Duncan showed up and David Robinson before that, and we won some championships,” Holt said. “We were able to go deep into the playoffs. It helped cover our losses. If we had not had that situation, we would have been losing money even before these last two years in this last CBA.”

Now Duncan will pay dearly — about $211,000 per game — with each one that isn’t played in what could be the final season of his brilliant career.

Duncan was just entering his second season when the owners locked out the players in 1998, not yet of a stature to play an important role in collective bargaining. Then, it was left to Michael Jordan to intercede in collective bargaining talks. His Airness famously told Washington Bullets owner Abe Pollin that if he could not afford to run an NBA team, he should sell it.

This is not to suggest Duncan should confront Holt the same way, but wouldn’t his presence add a rich texture to the fabric of the union’s stance? And perhaps he might be just the right union member to make the same suggestion to Jordan, now owner of the Bobcats, that Jordan offered to Pollin.

After all, it’s when selling a franchise that the owners truly cash in, with no obligation to split those proceeds with anyone.

mikemonroe@express-news.net