Sides in NBA lockout keep ball spinning

By Brian Mahoney
Associated Press

NEW YORK — After another long day of negotiations, NBA players and owners hammered out plans for another meeting.

That’s not the deal commissioner David Stern wanted, but it’s better than the cancellations that could come if talks fall through.

Both sides seemed to have plenty to talk about. After an eight-hour meeting Wednesday brought their time together to more than 24 hours over two days, federal mediator George Cohen said they would resume bargaining this afternoon.

“Everyone is extremely focused on the core issues, the difficult issues that confront them,” Cohen said.

Talks broke for the night so owners could attend meetings at another hotel. Stern left after seven hours for a presentation on revenue sharing by the owners’ planning committee.

The sides have been divided over two main issues: the division of revenues and the structure of the salary cap system.

League officials originally said they wouldn’t be available for negotiating Wednesday or today because of their board meetings. Stern wanted to bring a deal to them, saying even the Christmas games could be in jeopardy of cancellation without an agreement Tuesday.

Instead, owners will meet with players again today after their board meeting, the first time during the 111-day lockout they have bargained on three consecutive days.

“The discussions have been direct and constructive, and as far as we are concerned, we are here to continue to help assist the parties to endeavor to reach an agreement,” Cohen said.

Cohen said players and owners met in a variety of settings during mediation. Neither side commented, honoring Cohen’s request to keep the negotiations private.

Without a deal this week, Stern might have to decide when a next round of cancellations would be necessary. The season was supposed to begin Nov. 1, but all games through Nov. 14 — 100 in total — have been scrapped, costing players about $170 million in salaries.

Talks resumed Wednesday morning, just eight hours after a marathon 16-hour session. The owners’ planning committee meeting was scheduled for 2 p.m., but that was pushed back until the evening so they could keep talking with players.

After Stern left, deputy commissioner Adam Silver, the league’s lead negotiator, and Spurs owner Peter Holt, who heads the labor relations committee, led the talks with players.

Stern has said owners will have an expanded revenue sharing package among teams once the collective bargaining agreement with the players has been completed.

The union has pushed for it to be part of the CBA discussions, believing better sharing among teams would help owners address what they said was $300 million in losses last season, but Stern said recently he is confident players would approve the owners’ new system.

Players believe owners’ attempts to make the luxury tax more punitive and limit the use of spending exceptions will effectively create a hard salary cap, which they say they will refuse to accept.

Also, each side has formally proposed receiving 53 percent of basketball-related income after players were guaranteed 57 percent under the previous collective bargaining agreement.

They talked about a 50-50 split, but the players rejected that, and the league has said it won’t go beyond that number.

Unable to make any real headway in recent weeks on either item, Cohen’s presence was welcomed. He helped try to resolve the NFL’s labor dispute earlier this year.

Fear the beards: Is James Harden the next Manu?

They say a comparison might be the sincerest form of flattery. 

If so, Manu Ginobili is only adding to his legend as one of the most notable players of his era.

ESPN.com’s David Thorpe makes a pretty convincing case that the collective grouping of Ginobili’s unique abilities makes him one of the best players in the league.

Here’s what Thorpe:

“In many respects, Ginobili is basketball’s version of what a “Moneyball” player looks like. He’s too skinny; he isn’t explosively athletic enough to be a classic shooting guard; and he doesn’t look like a prolific scorer. He also falls down a lot and plays awkwardly when compared to a classic guard.

“Most old-school scouts seek exactly the opposite from their 2-guards, a major reason why Ginobili was not drafted until the 57th selection in 1999. And that was after already proving to be one of the best young players in Europe and winning a title in the top Italian league. But as evidenced by his titles and his production, Ginobili is an analyst’s dream because his sum is so much better than his individual parts.”

Thorpe sees third-year Oklahoma City guard/forward James Harden as a similar player.

“Harden reminds many of Ginobili because of his average-looking athleticism that gives way to an occasional monster dunk that foreshadows his future if he tried to make athletic plays more often.

“Remember that as Harden enters his third NBA season, he is three years younger than Ginobili was as a rookie, so the Ginobili we’ve seen play with nuanced craft is far past his peak athletic years. Harden plays with tremendous poise and pace, and as he seasons, he could add more excitement to his game, the way Ginobili can be electric with the ball when his team needs him most.”

It’s a nice comparison for both players. And Thorpe has an interesting take on the unique skills of two key players for  two of the league’s best teams.

Spurs memory No. 23: Horry-Nash rumble turns 2007 West semifinal series

  Horry’s tussle with Nash helps spark Spurs 2007 semifinal series victory over Phoenix

Date: Monday May 14, 2007
Place: ATT Center, San Antonio
Score: Phoenix Suns 104, San Antonio Spurs 98 

 It was a moment that turned around a series and may have provided the opening which enabled the Spurs to claim their most recent NBA championships. 

And if you ask any Phoenix fan today –more than four years after the fact – most remain firmly convinced that Robert Horry morphed from “Big Shot Rob” to “Cheap Shot Rob” in a matter of seconds.

Phoenix had just taken control of a 104-98 Game 4 victory in San Antonio that evened the best-of-seven series at two games apiece. The Suns overcame a 10-point deficit in the final nine minutes to earn the victory and reclaim homecourt advantage in the series. Steve Nash was the instigator of the comeback with 24 points and 15 assists.

In the final seconds of the game, Horry delivered a hard body check of Nash that pushed him into the scorer’s table. Phoenix coach Mike D’Antoni initially charged at Horry before Raja Bell went after Horry.

“You got 250 going up against 150, it’s going to happen that way,” Horry explained to the Express-News.

As the rumble ensued, starting Phoenix center Amar’e Stoudemire and backup forward Boris Diaw left the team’s bench for a couple of steps as they advanced towards Horry and Bell.  

Horry was suspended with a flagrant 2 foul, leading to his suspension from the next two games because of the altercation and also because he used his forearm to shove away Bell in the resulting scrum. Stoudemire and Diaw both picked up one game suspensions from the league for leaving the bench area.

The suspensions cost Horry for two games, but the Suns lost more with Stoudemire and Diaw out of the lineup for Game 5. The league claimed the players violated a clear rule that forbids them from leaving their bench area during an altercation.

“I don’t like suspending players from games, and the commissioner doesn’t like suspending players from games, let alone a game in the middle of the second round of a playoff series,” said Stu Jackson, who, as the league’s executive vice president of basketball operations, assisted NBA commisioiner David Stern in determining the punishment.

“That’s unfortunate. But in this case, the rule is what it is.”

What they said, part I: “So I was like, ‘I’m going to just bump him a little bit. As you know the great acting skills Steve has when he hit the floor, he flopped and was, ‘Oh, I’m dying over here.’ It happens. I had no malicious intent to hurt Steve. I like Steve, and he’s a good person,” Horry, explaining the incident to the Express-News.

What they said, part II: “Sometimes in the playoffs, things get blown out of perspective, and it’s really going to be blown out of perspective because the other two players got suspended for a game. If that wouldn’t have happened, and if it wasn’t Steven Nash, it wouldn’t have been as big a deal,” Horry on the aftermath of the incident.

What they said, part III: ”Here in Arizona, we do have the most powerful microscopes and telescopes in the world. You could use those instruments and not find a shred of fairness or common sense in that decision,”  D’Antoni, trying to comprehend the suspensions on both teams.

What they said, part IV: ”As loose guidelines, you should probably punish the bad guys and bad deeds. The good guys and the no deeds — you kind of have to talk about,” D’Antoni, on the suspension of his two players.

What they said, part V: “It was just an end-of game foul and Steve fell down,” Spurs coach Gregg Popovich, on the rumble that sparked the incident.

What they said, part VI: “There was not going to be a fight. We  don’t have guys like that. You lump everybody together, and that’s not fair to the good guys,” D’Antoni on why he believed the NBA overreacted with the suspensions.

What they said, part VII: ”As I told you all over the past 15 or 40 years, I never liked ‘Big Shot Rob,’ so now that I go to ‘Big Cheap Shot Rob,’ it doesn’t bother me; I was already hated here,” Horry, on his image change in Phoenix after the suspension.

What they said, part  VIII: ”I was going to try to take a charge, and then it was, ‘Oh, he’s too fast, so let me bump him a little bit.’ As you know, the great acting skills Steve has, he hits the floor, gets the flop, and it’s, ‘Oh, I’m dying over here.’ I wasn’t trying to hurt him.” Horry on Nash’s reaction after the foul.

What they said, part IX: ”We went from soft to meaner than hell real quick,” Popovich on the Spurs’ national reputation transformation after the Horry incident.

What they said, part X: “As I sat in the lobby thinking to myself why would somebody make a bomb threat, along walks (TNT’s) Craig Sager, and the light went off,” Spurs guard Brent Barry explaining to the Express-News his rationale why a bomb threat was made at his team’s hotel.

What they said, part XI: “Everybody has to make their own decisions. But we have a good group of guys who are playing a very physical series, and what happens is what happens. Horry has never been known as a dirty player his whole career. It was just a unique set of circumstances,” Spurs majority owner Peter Holt, explaining the Horry-Nash altercation.

What they said, part XII: ”I know you have to roll with the punches literally a lot of the time. I felt like that was uncalled for. It’s hard to always take the high road,” Nash, to the Associated Press about the incident with Horry.

The upshot: Before Game 5, Horry was vilified outside America West Arena, where vendors hawked “DIRTY HORRY — Do You Feel Lucky, Punk?” T-shirts …  After Stern made his determination of the suspensions to Stoudemire and Diaw, he decided not to attend Game 6 in Phoenix.  On the night before Game 5, irate Phoenix fans called in a bomb threat to the Spurs’ team hotel, leading to a sweep of the building. But it didn’t matter to them. The Spurs took advantage of the absences of Stoudemire and Diaw to come back from a 16-point deficit to claim a gritty 88-85 victory over Phoenix in Game 5, winning the game on Bowen’s clutch 3-pointer with 36.4 seconds left in the game. Stoudemire and Diaw were back in the lineup for Game 6, but the Spurs claimed a 114-106 victory to wrap up the series – the Spurs’ most difficult in the 2007 playoffs. San Antonio then beat Utah in five games for the Western Conference title and swept Cleveland in four games to win their fourth NBA championship in a nine-season span.  D’Antoini’s whining caught up with him. His team was eliminated in the first round of the playoffs in the following season by the Spurs and was released after that season. He’s never won a playoff series since the Horry-Nash incident.

Previous Spurs most memorable moments:

No. 24: Ice’s clandestine arrival .

No. 25: Barkleywith series-clinching shot.

No. 26: Silas becomes first Spur.

No. 27: Robinson makes history with .

No. 28: after crucial 1999 victory at Houston.

No. 29: on Halloween night.

No. 30: Torrid San Diego shooting